Is Moonbattery Worth Dying For?
Get a load of the steaming pile of BS the moonbats, James Shore, Kirby Brown and Liz Neuman died trying to believe in. Just start with the picture of a TeePee with a Yin/Yang symbol on it. Mixing mysticisms? That is your first clue that your cult is stupid. Here’s where you start the James Ray drinking game. For every New Age symbol or ritual, you have to do a shot.
From the TimesOnline here:
A survivor of the fatal Native American-style ‘cleansing ceremony’ in a US sweat lodge has spoken for the first time about the harrowing conditions inside the enclosed canopy which led to three deaths, claiming people were vomiting in the stifling heat, gasping for air, and lying lifeless on the sand and gravel floor beneath them.
Beverley Bunn was one of more than 50 followers of the spiritual guru James Arthur Ray who had endured five strenuous days of fasting, sleep-deprivation and mind-altering breathing exercises when he led them into the sweat lodge ceremony at a retreat outside Sedona, Arizona, on October 8.
It was supposed to be a religious awakening, the culmination of a $US9,000-plus-a-person seven-day program, aimed at helping people find a new vision for life.
But it was not long before the ceremony turned into a terrifying experience in which ultimately three people – Kirby Brown, a 38-year-old painter, internet executive James Shore, 40, and 49-year-old Liz Neuman – would die.
Ms Bunn, 43, said people began to show signs they were weakening midway through the ceremony, some vomited and others showed signs of confusion. One man was burned when he crawled into a pile of heated rocks, seemingly unaware of what he was doing.
She claimed when participants exhibited weakness, Mr Ray urged them to push past it and chided those who wanted to leave. Ms Bunn recalled hearing someone say: “I can’t get her to move. I can’t get her to wake up,” from two sides of the 415-square-foot sweat lodge. She alleged Mr Ray’s response was: “Leave her alone, she’ll be dealt with in the next round.”
Participants were lightly dressed in bathing suits, shorts and tank tops, and received a blessing meant to cut away negative energy before crawling into the sweat lodge.
She said Mr Ray led the group inside and sat next to the opening. A second row formed, their bodies closest to what would be a pile of heated rocks.
Ms Bunn said that Mr Ray sprinkled them with sandalwood meant for aroma. He led the group in chants and prayers in a Native American tongue during the ceremony, then poured a 5-gallon (19-litre) bucket of water over the rocks, sending a rush of steam throughout the makeshift structure.
As it neared the end, Ms Bunn said some participants found themselves physically and mentally unable to tend to those around them. After the eighth round they were instructed them to exit the sweat lodge just has they had entered — going clockwise, a movement meant to symbolize being inside a mother’s womb.
Ten grand for this collection of mish-mashed New Age mumbo jumbo? Can you get any more cliche’?
Let me break it down for you whackadoodles that believe this crap:
- Indians were stone age people. They weren’t magical and they had no formal religion.
- Indian sweat lodges cleanse your soul about as well as they wipe your ass.
- Fasting does nothing for your soul.
- Breathing and relaxation exercises do nothing for your physical body. Neither does yoga.
- If you don’t believe in God, there is no way possible to have a religious awakening.
- California hippies have no ability to “cast blessings,” even if you pay them 10,000 bucks.
- There is no such thing as “negative energy.” But it seems that New Agers confuse “negative energy” with what us normal folk call “common sense.”
- Herbs, rocks, crystals and other natural things possess no spiritual properties. Your amethyst stone doesn’t have a “chakra” stupid.
- Pretending to re-emerge from a womb is assinine. Stop it.
- Karma is not a force in the universe. Bad things won’t happen to people you think are mean. (Thanks Diana!)
- Firewalking does not prove you are protected by “teh gods.”
- Hawaiian Kahunas have no special powers
See? A nice and simple list. Give this list to a New Ager you know. It could save their fool life.
I think your attitude sucks. That does NOT put me in defense for the con artist play actor. These are deaths though. Do you get it?
What an ass you are to talk like it is menial. You owe apologies and should be ashamed or put in time out if that is more appropriate. Get off your father’s computer, child.
Redinkdot,
I understand these are deaths, and they are not menial. Quite the opposite, they are hugely significant.
But I’m not the guy going around suckering dopes into entering easy bake ovens, but yet, you think its ME that owes the apology?
you talking shit out of your ass is the reason you should apologize. your ego makes you as big a monster as the one who sat at the door and controlled the environment. It’s fine if you don’t seek self awareness and think that you can find God by going to church on Sunday and having the family meal afterwards. You’d better get over your careless writings, unless this is what you call humor. I promise you though, I don’t there there are many people laughing, Native American, or otherwise. You are insulting many many people…that is what you apologize for. The guru will have his day. Your talk makes no better for what he did. You make light of the whole situation and it is NOT funny. As I said, leave your parent’s computer alone. Shouldn’t you be in daycare?
Diana Sierra of San Antonio Texas, aka RedInkDot at idi_idi@yahoo.com thinks that its not that I’m being mean to dead people, buy I’m criticizing some of her new age beliefs. And of course, she has no perspective of comparison- I, being a blogger, am just as much of a monster as a man who lured 60 people and made over half a million bucks by forcing them into an easy bake oven.
You should read my list again. Print it out and carry it in your wallet, Diana. Obviously no one else is telling you the truth. I hope the list helps you, and you are welcome. No need to thank me. And unlike James Ray, this is a freebie.
I’m sorry if you think that I am a “New Ager” and I apologize for what it is as far as price you will pay. Mr. Guru yourself, do unto others, that is my God’s word and if you think again, you will decide that this is one petty little battle of words that an ignorant “blogger” has gone too far in making a mockery out of the death of several people. I suggest you look deeper into the acts of some of these events, listen to the eye witness and find some compassion or borrow some, sit down with your “self” if you know what that is and if you can even stand you “self” and I imagine few people can…yours will come as the Law of the Earth and truth comes to light. So make jokes about tradions and chakras and things you cannot comprehend due to your 3rd grade education level and keep blogging you silly joker.
Oh, so you believe in chakra and karma, eh? Thanks for reminding me. I will add karma to the list of retarded things to believe in. Can you break down that whole “law of the earth” and “truth comes to light” part? You are speaking gibberish.
Shame on you for being so disrespectful and ugly about this tragedy. James children will grow up and stumble upon your words demeaning their dad and it will hurt them.
Feel good about yourself? Shame on you.
People believer doctors when they say chemo will save them too and they die. Going to sit back and call them all fools as well?
Kent, aka Children,
Hey welcome to the blog. I checked out your blacksmithing stuff, and its really cool. Feel free to drop a link in a reply if you want.
But seriously, you don’t see the distinction between going for cancer treatment and voluntarily crawling into a giant oven with a charlatan?
People seeking cancer treatment in hospitals are not fools. But someone with cancer going to get treatment by prayer, burning incense, indian chants and a sweat lodge? Fool. Big time.
Kent didnt post. Not quite the genius you think you are.
Stop arguing the wrong part of the story. The bottom line is putting this opinion of yours, out there on the internet, leaves it open to hurt 3 children, who have lost enough.
Regardless of anything else about this that does or does not bear discussion, your words are not fact, just opinion and only the ignorant must throw about the name calling and slurs you included for hype.
Again. Shame on you.
~Shannon
No, Shannon, my words are indeed fact. those three children you are concerned about will indeed grow up alone now because of the poor decisions made by their father. Whatever I say cannot hurt more than their father flying down to Arizona, blowing 10 grand of his family’s money to croak in a stupid home made sweat lodge.
My words are painless in comparison.
You know nothing. I will not fuel you with the facts, everything you have posted is false. belch.com could not be more accurate.
btw, I am truly sorry you are so lonely and angry. I will hope for your future.
You have no facts, Shannon. If you were so concerned that what I have written down is inaccurate and you have facts at hand, you would have included one or two of them in the three responses you have scribbled thus far.
Instead of arguing any of the points I have made, you simply attack me. Such attacks along with your false platitudes of sorrow and hope just makes you look like a ninny.