I Told You So
All of the news outlets were beating around the bush about Chaudry Rashid, the man who murdered his daughter by strangling her with a bungee cord because her divorce would bring shame to the family, by not saying that his actions were the result of his religious beliefs in Islam.
Infidel! I KILL You! After I kill my daughter, you are next!
And in fact, the media is still beating around the bush about it. And while they won’t come right out and say that this troglodyte was Muslim, the Atlanta Journal Constitution let it slip that he is requesting halal food while he rots in jail. Thanks to RedAlerts.Com for the followup to this story.
A Pakistani man accused of killing his daughter five days after she filed for divorce to end her arranged marriage wept in court Tuesday, telling a Clayton County magistrate he is innocent.
“I have done nothing wrong,” Chaudhry Rashid told Chief Magistrate Daphne Walker through interpreter Younis Farhat. Farhat said Rashid speaks primarily Urdu and Punjabi.
But police say Rashid, 54, used a bungee cord to strangle Sandeela Kanwal, 25, early Sunday morning in the family’s Utah Drive home in Jonesboro.
Rashid, who is being held without bond, told the judge he wanted to observe his Muslim beliefs in the Clayton jail. He wants to follow a diet that forbids the consumption of pork in any form and requires other meats are prepared according to Islamic rules.
Hmmph. First off, I told you he was a Muslim. Second, I think that following Muslim beliefs is what landed Rashid in the county poke in the first place, so any requests along religious lines should be denied.
I just wonder about the people who were holding out hope that he wasn’t Muslim. What part of more than a thousand years of honor killings and Jihads made it unclear as to how Muslims conduct themselves?
Those are the people who insist that Christians and Hindus do it too, and they are on a quest to prove it.
Islam prohibits the killing of other human beings. Even during war, which is strictly permitted in self-defense, the Qur’an prohibits the killing of innocent people.
[5:32] … we decreed for the Children of Israel that anyone who murders any person who had not committed murder or caused corruption in the land, it shall be as if he murdered all the people. And anyone who saves a life, it shall be as if he saved the lives of all the people. Our messengers went to them with clear proofs and revelations, but most of them, after all this, are still transgressing.
As the Hadith (sayings of the Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him) say:
A wife of the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) said: (The Prophet) never hit anyone with his hand, neither a woman nor a servant.” (Sahih Muslim, Hadith 1082)
The Prophet said: “The most perfect Muslim in the matter of faith is someone who has excellent behavior; and the best among you are those who behave best toward their wives.” (Al-Tirmidhi, Hadith 106)
from an article on the website..islam on my side
Sofiya,
Don’t try pulling this shit with me. I know that the Koran says that it is okay to behead the unbelievers. (sura 8:12) Muhammad, (piss be upon his cursed soul) was a warmonger and a child molester.
You are welcome on this blog to engage in debate, but do not proselytize and please don’t stoop to lying about what you think the koran says.
I am not an expert in the Religion, but i know the basic beliefs which do not promote any of the things that are being talked about here…there are things in the quran that can be and have been misinterpreted. And, I am not proselytizing. there is no compulsion in religion. I am not trying to convert you or anyone else. You are entitled to your beliefs, as i have said before, but you need to get all your facts straight before you critizize the religion on the whole. You are judging it on certain acts and behaviours and misinterpretations from people who are not true muslims, no matter how they may proclaim their actions to be in the way of Islam. I do not know all about christianity, or judaism or catholicism, so I will not say anything bad about those religions. I was protestant for 35 years of my life and I have not read the whole bible or was particularily religious, that is not to say I was against the religion I was born into, I just wasnt very religious other than the basic belief in God and Jesus as I was taught as a child. So, there are a lot of violent people in this world, mothers killing their children, fathers killing their wives etc…does the media say..”the christian woman drowned her three children..her religion was to blame” no..only muslims. The thing is the debate about religion will go on until the end of time. the fact is that we all have our own beliefs. I respect yours. The man in this article in mentally ill…he killed his child out of family honour…he obviously has mental issues. It is not from Islam. He is using the religion, as many do, to justify his actions. anyway. I am finished with this topic…I can understand your anger towards the many injustices that are discussed here, but blame the individuals not the religion. But …i feel that you are too set in your thinking to consider anything else. And, that is your right.
Sofiya is correct: “I am not an expert in the Religion”
Indeed she is no expert.
The Koran forbids the killing of other devout Muzilims.
Obviously Sandeela Kanwal was a bad Muslim, and therefore deserved a good strangling. In Hell, her father will be congratulated by Moham, during Moham’s 10,000 year break from being buggered for eternity by the spiky dick of Satan.
Also, Mohammad cancels onligations, and in the Satanic verses Moham said he was inspired by the Devil.
Please study further, my sister.
Re: “anyone who murders any person who had not committed murder or caused corruption in the land, it shall be as if he murdered all the people”
Yes, but this women has obviously “caused corruption in the land”; she was obviously “transgressing” as you put it.
Re: “does the media say..”the christian woman drowned her three children..her religion was to blame””
I think some might say that, but anyway, your argument is flawed, because nobody could kill their child with no good reason (i.e. self-defense) and claim a Biblical warrent to do so.
Re: “The Pedophile said: “The most perfect Muslim in the matter of faith is someone who has excellent behavior”
But obviously this daughter did not have “excellent behavior”, so she earned her Islamic asphyxiation.
Re: “As the Hadith (sayings of the Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him) say: A wife of the Pedophile Muhammad (piss be upon him) said: (The Pedophile) never hit anyone with his hand, neither a woman nor a servant.” (Sahih Muslim, Hadith 1082)”
But how could he rape his sex-slaves without using force? You’ve stumped me here.
Re: “I just wasnt very religious other than the basic belief in God and Jesus as I was taught as a child.”
I see you recognize you’re own ignorance. Perhaps you don’t realize that you were in fact obviously extremely badly taught as a child.
Consider this “basic belief in God and Jesus:
“I BELIEVE
? In one God the Father almighty, Maker of heaven and earth, and of all things visible and invisible.
? And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of God, the only-begotten, begotten of the Father before all ages, Light of Light, true God of true God, begotten, not made, of one essence with the Father, by whom all things were made. Who for us men and for our salvation came down from heaven, and was incarnate of the Holy Spirit and the Virgin Mary, and became man; and was crucified also for us under Pontius Pilate, and suffered and was buried; and the third day He rose again according to the Scriptures; and ascended into heaven and is seated at the right hand of the Father. And He shall come again with glory to judge the living and the dead; of His kingdom there shall be no end.
? And in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the Giver of life, Who proceeds from the Father, Who with the Father and the Son together is worshipped and glorified, Who spoke by the prophets.
? In one Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church; I confess one baptism for the forgiveness of sins; I look for the resurrection of the dead, and the life of the age to come. Amen.”
Something to think about before you end up in Hell getting buggered for eternity by Satan’s spikey dick.
I appreciate your desire to better understand Islam, which is why I prepared this for sad unfulfilled and unilluminated souls such as yourself:
http://brianakira.wordpress.com/islam/
Please consider that Islam is by definition the inforgivable sin that Jesus Christ warned about (I’m sure now you are bewildered because your poor catechism didn’t cover such a thing as an unforgivable sin):
Unforgivable Sin
The Parákletos (Paraclete/Comforter) that Jesus Christ, God the Son, referred to in John 14:16; 15:26; 16:5-8, 12-14 is the Holy Spirit.
Muslims claim that The Pedophile Mohammad is the Holy Spirit.
Jesus Christ:
“Truly I say unto you, All their sins shall be forgiven unto the sons of men, and whatever blasphemies they utter: but whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit never has forgiveness, but is guilty of an eternal sin.”
“He who is not with Me is against Me, and he who does not gather with Me scatters. Through this I tell you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven these men, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven. And whoever says a word against the Son of man will be forgiven; but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come.”
God bless you.
Re: “As the Hadith (sayings of the Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him) say: A wife of the Pedophile Muhammad (piss be upon him) said: (The Pedophile) never hit anyone with his hand, neither a woman nor a servant.” (Sahih Muslim, Hadith 1082)”
Very mature comments. If you expect your beliefs or opinions to be heard and considered or even respected…making childish, vulgar comments is not the way to go.
You say you believe in one God…then why do you quote this:The Parákletos (Paraclete/Comforter) that Jesus Christ, (((God the Son,))) referred to in John 14:16; 15:26; 16:5-8, 12-14 is the Holy Spirit
God the son?? God begets noone and is begotten by noone…the biggest sin is to give a partner to god as it takes away is oneness.YOu worship Jesus(peace and blessing be upon him) as if he is God and not as a human being,created by HIm. Yes Jesus was a special person and muslims respect him very much and love him, but we do not worship him and pray to him. We only pray to Allah.
“I see you recognize you’re own ignorance. Perhaps you don’t realize that you were in fact obviously extremely badly taught as a child.”
no comment….
Are you a born again christian? It is not very christian of you to make rude and vulgar comments about the prophet or to anyone for that matter. I respect all religions and everyone’s right to have their beliefs. I would never insult Jesus(pbuh). I don’t believe in hinduism but I will not disrespect a hindu and make fun of his God.
I believe your spiteful and vulgar comments do not make you very credible. In fact I really don’t think they warrant any futher comment.
and for the record…we do not think the prophet muhammad is the holy spirit, He was a man given divine knowledge from allah as was moses, noah abraham, jesus…etc.
Why was Jesus conceived by the Theotokos, the Virgin Mary, if he is just a prophet?
And stop lying, it’s well-known thatMuslims claim Moham was The Holy Spirit, the Paraclete promised by Jesus Christ, the Son of God.
Typical example:
http://www.rasoulallah.net/subject_en.asp?hit=1&parent_id=442&sub_id=4719
If you don’t disrespect Hindus then you are not a Muslim. You’re supposed to put Hindus to the Sword, as you would know if you were a real Muslim.
As for crudity, that cunt Mohammad was one of the most evil bastards who ever lived, so I’ll refer to the shit-head however I like. Kiddie-fucking thieving genocidal nonces deserve no respect.
I se you were telling the truth about your ignorance. I see why you became a Moozzlim — they always go after the mentally deficient or mentally disturbed.
The Muzzie loons say hat Jesus’ mommy was “Mary, the daughter of Imran and Asia, the wife of Pharaoh.” (Bukhari 4.643)”
Cuckoo!
So Jesus was born of a virgin, but needed his message to be completed by a kiddie-fucker like Moham? Gimme a break. What kind of moron do you think I am!?
“Relate in the Book (the story of) Mary, when she withdrew from her family to a place in the East. She placed a screen (to screen herself) from them; then We sent her Our angel, and he appeared before her as a man in all respects.” (Quran 19:16-17). After seeing the angel, she said: “I seek refuge from thee to (God) Most Gracious: (come not near) if thou dost fear God.” (Quran 19:18). The angel Gabriel responded: “Nay, I am only a messenger from thy Lord, (to announce) to thee the gift of a pure son.” (Quran 19:19). Her next response is expected. She asked: “How shall I have a son, seeing that no man has touched me, and I am not unchaste?” (Quran 19:20). The Angel Gabriel said: “So (it will be): thy Lord saith, ‘That is easy for Me: and (We wish) to appoint him as a Sign unto men and a Mercy from Us.’ It is a matter (so) decreed.” (Quran 19:21). Mary then becomes pregnant.”
Respectfully, + + +
I am a muslim and unlike you I don’t hate other people because of their religion. I don’t have to hate other religions to prove the strength of my faith. One of my best friends is christian, I work with a jew who I admire and respect. This doesn’t weaken my beliefs, nor does it determine if I am a true muslim. I don’t judge people by their religion only their actions. You seem like such a bitter person..i do not even recognise a christian in you. Your words are poison. You seem knowledgable in your religion and that is admirable, and i understand your anger towards things that are happening in this world and how some of those things happen to be in muslim countries, but there are many horrible things happening throughout the world,it is not just muslims. This conversation doesn’t seem to be a friendly debate or a sharing of beliefs and opinions, it has become more like an attack.I feel sorry for you and I do not want to continue this useless conversation with someone as closed minded and self-righteous as yourself.
salamualaikum( peace be with you)
Sophie,
The Koran forbids you from being friends with a Christian or a Jew.
O ye who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians for friends. They are friends one to another. He among you who taketh them for friends is (one) of them. Lo! Allah guideth not wrongdoing folk. [Koran 5.51]
And with those who say: “Lo! we are Christians,” We made a covenant, but they forgot a part of that whereof they were admonished. Therefore We have stirred up enmity and hatred among them till the Day of Resurrection, when Allah will inform them of their handiwork. [Koran 5.14]
They long that ye should disbelieve even as they disbelieve, that ye may be upon a level (with them). So choose not friends from them till they forsake their homes in the way of Allah; if they turn back (to enmity) then take them and kill them wherever ye find them, and choose no friend nor helper from among them. [Koran 4.89]
I am quoting this from a website in response to the first quote from the Quran, that you made:
“Here is the question that I have and I would appreciate a well balanced answer to this. Question comes from the verse 5:51 of Quran (surah 5, ayat 51). My knowledge of the Quran is very limited, and I have not explored the context of the verse either. However …
As a human being I know there are good muslims and bad muslims, similiarly, good jews and bad jews, so on and so forth. The verse 5:51 seems like a blanket statement which tells me not to be friends with ANY Jew no matter what. This seems to go against reason for definitely there are Jews who are good and pious people.
I would appreciate it if you could explain the real position of the Quran on the matter.
Response
Before we understand the verse under discussion it is important to understand the context of this Surah and the situation under which this verse was revealed.
In the last stages of prophetic mission in Medinah, Muslims had emerged as a dominant power and had set up a society of their own. At the same time, the polytheists of Makkah as well as Jews and Christians had also established setups and in case of an armed conflict, it seemed that any of them could have emerged as victorious. In such an environment the hypocrites amongst Muslims maintained ties with Jews and Christians and supported them in secret. Their support was in order to safeguard their interests with whoever the victorious party would be. In addition, the hypocrites obviously had not accepted Islam from within their hearts and their conversion to Islam had not affected their ties with Muslims’ opponents.
It is in this context that Quran revealed the following verses specifically admonishing these hypocrites amongst Muslims:
“O believers, do not take the Jews and the Christians as your friends and protectors, they are friends of each other. And whoever makes them a friend then he is from amongst them. Verily God does not guide the unjust people. And you will see that those (Muslims) in whose hearts is a disease run towards them saying ‘We fear that a calamity may befall us.’ So God will soon bring victory or a decision from Him, causing them regret on account of the thoughts they harbored in their hearts.” (Quran 5:51-52)
The explanation above should depict the correct meaning of the verses under discussion.
In addition to the general context, it should also be noted that Quran has used the words ‘the Jews’ and ‘the Christians’ making it very clear that it is a specific group of Jews and Christians and this verse is not a general prescription. The attitude of these people has been explained further in the following verses for instance:
“O you who believe! do not take for friends and protectors those who take your religion for a mockery and a joke, from among those who were given the Book before you and the unbelievers; and be careful of (your duty to) Allah if you are believers. And when you call to prayer they make it a mockery and a joke; this is because they are a people who do not understand.” (Quran 5:57-58)
As it can be clearly seen, the Jews and Christians mentioned above are those ‘who take your religion for a mockery and a joke.’
In view of the above explanation, I believe these verses should not be taken to be a general directive of our relationship with Jews and Christians. Instead our relationship with the people of other faiths should only be avoided when it becomes harmful for Muslims, and otherwise we should feel free to enjoy a comfortable relationship with our Jew and Christian brothers and sisters.”
So… It’s only the “religion of peace” when it suits you. Which I think we have been saying that for a long time.
The rest of the time it is the religion of domination and oppression. Which is why Muslims execute gays and make women dress up in burkas. And why, as a populace and a culture, they are playing catch-up to westerners in the areas of medicine, education, science and technology.